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Stick Checks
I refereed a game today and we had 3 stick checks. All 3 had goals disallowed for strings that hanged longer then 2". This rule was passed in Manchester this past summer and came into effect in England January 1st.
Remember this is a technical foul and not a 3 minute personal. Unless it is coupled with a personal foul (simultaneous foul) then it will be possession goal line extended to the team that was scored on. No free clear as it is not time served.
Players remember, this is a simple fix that a pair of scissors can easily take care of. Don't loose a goal for something so easily fixed.
Remember this is a technical foul and not a 3 minute personal. Unless it is coupled with a personal foul (simultaneous foul) then it will be possession goal line extended to the team that was scored on. No free clear as it is not time served.
Players remember, this is a simple fix that a pair of scissors can easily take care of. Don't loose a goal for something so easily fixed.
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Re: Stick Checks
dblacklock wrote:I refereed a game today and we had 3 stick checks. All 3 had goals disallowed for strings that hanged longer then 2". This rule was passed in Manchester this past summer and came into effect in England January 1st.
Remember this is a technical foul and not a 3 minute personal. Unless it is coupled with a personal foul (simultaneous foul) then it will be possession goal line extended to the team that was scored on. No free clear as it is not time served.
Players remember, this is a simple fix that a pair of scissors can easily take care of. Don't loose a goal for something so easily fixed.
This was in the same game?
The players who got called for the 2nd & 3rd penalties should be embarrassed
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Re: Stick Checks
Yup, threw two goals out in a flags quarter final last week, both by the same team. Game ended 7-7 in normal time
The team who called the stick checks won 8-7 after O.T
The team who called the stick checks won 8-7 after O.T
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Re: Stick Checks
dblacklock wrote:I refereed a game today and we had 3 stick checks. All 3 had goals disallowed for strings that hanged longer then 2". This rule was passed in Manchester this past summer and came into effect in England January 1st.
Remember this is a technical foul and not a 3 minute personal. Unless it is coupled with a personal foul (simultaneous foul) then it will be possession goal line extended to the team that was scored on. No free clear as it is not time served.
Players remember, this is a simple fix that a pair of scissors can easily take care of. Don't loose a goal for something so easily fixed.
Or if you don't want to cut the strings you can just roll them up and put stick tape around them.
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FarmerDan wrote:dblacklock wrote:I refereed a game today and we had 3 stick checks. All 3 had goals disallowed for strings that hanged longer then 2". This rule was passed in Manchester this past summer and came into effect in England January 1st.
Remember this is a technical foul and not a 3 minute personal. Unless it is coupled with a personal foul (simultaneous foul) then it will be possession goal line extended to the team that was scored on. No free clear as it is not time served.
Players remember, this is a simple fix that a pair of scissors can easily take care of. Don't loose a goal for something so easily fixed.
Or if you don't want to cut the strings you can just roll them up and put stick tape around them.
or plait/knot them repeatedly....
having knotted my excess shooting strings repeatedly, they form a 'T' at the end with the lace caps sticking out. For arguments sake, does the T piece count towards the total length or would you measure to the end of the knotting and not the perpendicular piece?
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Re: Stick Checks
PM me a picture of what you have done.
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Re: Stick Checks
I think I know the answer to this but...
What do the rules say about the rest of a player's kit. I regularly see players with odd bits of string hanging off them, particularly around their glove cuff.
What do the rules say about the rest of a player's kit. I regularly see players with odd bits of string hanging off them, particularly around their glove cuff.
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Re: Stick Checks
I've got a bit that hangs loose just below my belt-line. Flaps around all over the place during a game.
Luckily it's less than 2 inches so I guess there's no infringement there
Luckily it's less than 2 inches so I guess there's no infringement there
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funnily enough I was wondering this myself the other day.
Nothing per se that prohibits the string hanging off the glove. But the rules do allow the refs to stop a player wearing anything considered dangerous to himself or other players.
I guess that now the hanging strings on the stick rule has been tidied up we should be looking at maybe extending that to the gloves. There is no need for players to have so much string hanging off the gloves.
Nothing per se that prohibits the string hanging off the glove. But the rules do allow the refs to stop a player wearing anything considered dangerous to himself or other players.
I guess that now the hanging strings on the stick rule has been tidied up we should be looking at maybe extending that to the gloves. There is no need for players to have so much string hanging off the gloves.
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Re: Stick Checks
FarmerDan wrote:funnily enough I was wondering this myself the other day.
Nothing per se that prohibits the string hanging off the glove. But the rules do allow the refs to stop a player wearing anything considered dangerous to himself or other players.
I guess that now the hanging strings on the stick rule has been tidied up we should be looking at maybe extending that to the gloves. There is no need for players to have so much string hanging off the gloves.
Easier said than done.
Some teams use a large amount of club kit and each individual wears their kit to their own personal liking.
One player may choose to wear the cuff as loose as possible, and another may choose to pull it tight leaving some string dangling.
I suppose its also feasible that those who wear it tight must be able to loosen the string in order to remove the glove?
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Re: Stick Checks
The Shooting strings rule isn't for aesthetics, a string could go through the visa on a helmet and as the old phrase goes "take your eye out"
Loose strings on gloves aren't as dangerous as they are unlikely to be traveling as fast or as close to the helmet.
There is a reason for the rule
Loose strings on gloves aren't as dangerous as they are unlikely to be traveling as fast or as close to the helmet.
There is a reason for the rule
Re: Stick Checks
UKLaxfan wrote:There is a reason for the rule
I reckon the same rule or a similar rule should apply to gloves/other equipment. While it is less likely that a string from someone's gloves may make contact with someone's eyes, the risk is still pretty high (e.g. a Paul Rabil-esque swim dodge, a check during a ground ball, a lift etc).
A lot of higher end gloves these days use velcro closures at the cuff. Not sure if it's for this reason, but just something I've noticed.
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Re: Stick Checks
I have to agree with UK laxfan. Likelihood is low of hanging strings on gloves being an issue.
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Re: Stick Checks
dblacklock wrote:I have to agree with UK laxfan. Likelihood is low of hanging strings on gloves being an issue.
And for those of you keen on management speak this should not be mixed up with low hanging fruit.
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Re: Stick Checks
Side tracked from this a little
i had an incident at one point this season where a stick check was called on my stick
everything was fine with it
but the player who called the stick check said you had to have the stick horrizontal with a ball in it, lowering it down to a vertical position and if the ball stays there after 90 degree's, its illegal.
This was the first i have ever heard of this and i don't believe this is real?
any help?
i had an incident at one point this season where a stick check was called on my stick
everything was fine with it
but the player who called the stick check said you had to have the stick horrizontal with a ball in it, lowering it down to a vertical position and if the ball stays there after 90 degree's, its illegal.
This was the first i have ever heard of this and i don't believe this is real?
any help?
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Re: Stick Checks
the exact methord for a stick check varries ref to ref in the uk.
Within one game i have seen a ref use a hard throwing motion whilst tipping a stick and then as people had had a go at him about this the next stick check on another player the stick was tipped over at such a slow rate it had nearly gone dark by the end of the game.
this then got the ref more abuse for not being consistant
These refs can never do anything right.
Joking aside it could do with a reveiw / memo being sent out on the exact method.( i would be intrested as i am not sure of the correct method)
Within one game i have seen a ref use a hard throwing motion whilst tipping a stick and then as people had had a go at him about this the next stick check on another player the stick was tipped over at such a slow rate it had nearly gone dark by the end of the game.
this then got the ref more abuse for not being consistant
These refs can never do anything right.
Joking aside it could do with a reveiw / memo being sent out on the exact method.( i would be intrested as i am not sure of the correct method)
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Re: Stick Checks
dblacklock wrote:I refereed a game today and we had 3 stick checks. All 3 had goals disallowed for strings that hanged longer then 2". This rule was passed in Manchester this past summer and came into effect in England January 1st.
Remember this is a technical foul and not a 3 minute personal. Unless it is coupled with a personal foul (simultaneous foul) then it will be possession goal line extended to the team that was scored on. No free clear as it is not time served.
Players remember, this is a simple fix that a pair of scissors can easily take care of. Don't loose a goal for something so easily fixed.
what do you mean the rule was passed 1st January? Haven't the rules always detailed what constitutes a legal stick and allowed procedures for the opposition to protest?
Is it just that the 2" strings have recently been introduced?
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Re: Stick Checks
being a qualified ref- the amount of "inaccurate" stick checks carried out is frustrating. especially the slow over straight over the shoulder movement to test if the ball stays in the stick. too many refs just move the stick down and see if the ball roles out, and i know its hard to get the players attention straight away before he has time to drop his stick/pull the bottom string/bang the head against his boots as ive seen.
moaning aside (im aware its tough - my calls arnt always right)
- an email with directions to carry a stick check or a video posted on youtube to watch may be beneficial.
moaning aside (im aware its tough - my calls arnt always right)
- an email with directions to carry a stick check or a video posted on youtube to watch may be beneficial.
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Can I just clarify that the stick check must be called by the captain? What if someone on the team, other than the captain, attempts to ask for a stick check? Is it ignore or is it a 30second technical for illegal procedure (like an illegal time out call)?
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i'm about 95% sure thats an illegal procedue,but i'm sure someone more knowledgable than me will confirm.
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