OK, I know the basics of how to play individual D: don't stick-chase, play the body, take away the topside/strong side, poke checks at the hands, drive the hips etc. Note I only say I know the basics!
What I want to know is the even more basic - stick handling. The lads I coach find longstick cradling, passing groudballs etc quite tough and I don't know enough to help. As far as I know you basically do i as you would for a shortie but perhaps move the hands up the stick a bit for more control.
Any hints about this would be really helpful, partly so I can teach it and partly because I may have to play some longpole at Pompey 8s...
Basic Defensive Stick Handling
Moderator: Moderators
Forum rules
Before posting on the forum please ensure you read the Board Wide Rules
Before posting on the forum please ensure you read the Board Wide Rules
Basic Defensive Stick Handling
Chichester Crusaders Coach.
Portsmouth Uni #66 - once upon a time.
Southampton Sabres #66 - a long time ago.
Army #7 - Tri-Services 2009
Coming soon to a sideline near you, complete with camera.
Portsmouth Uni #66 - once upon a time.
Southampton Sabres #66 - a long time ago.
Army #7 - Tri-Services 2009
Coming soon to a sideline near you, complete with camera.
Re: Basic Defensive Stick Handling
http://www.playsportstv.com/major-leagu ... -long-pole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnyYCb6jyGY
When coaching beginners I encourage them to choke up when passing and catching as it makes it a little bit easier for them. Once they get a better feel for the stick, I then get them to try and use the full length of the stick. They generally find it easier to get the basics with a short stick then move to a long pole but choking up, then using the full length.
I generally choke up when there's little to no pressure on me, more so when catching than passing or cradling. When there's pressure on, I can generally protect the stick better when using the full length as you take away the attractive "butt-end" sticking out of your bottom hand. I hardly every choke up on a groundball unless it's ended up in my feet and even then I'd rather kick it out and scoop. You've got 3 more feet of stick to use, why waste it? That being said, you should aim to get comfortable using the stick in any position and should be able to pass and catch with your hands anywhere along the shaft as you never know when you'll need to do so in a game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnyYCb6jyGY
When coaching beginners I encourage them to choke up when passing and catching as it makes it a little bit easier for them. Once they get a better feel for the stick, I then get them to try and use the full length of the stick. They generally find it easier to get the basics with a short stick then move to a long pole but choking up, then using the full length.
I generally choke up when there's little to no pressure on me, more so when catching than passing or cradling. When there's pressure on, I can generally protect the stick better when using the full length as you take away the attractive "butt-end" sticking out of your bottom hand. I hardly every choke up on a groundball unless it's ended up in my feet and even then I'd rather kick it out and scoop. You've got 3 more feet of stick to use, why waste it? That being said, you should aim to get comfortable using the stick in any position and should be able to pass and catch with your hands anywhere along the shaft as you never know when you'll need to do so in a game.
Sheffield University 2005-2008
Northumbria University 2008-2011
Newcastle upon Tyne 2008-Present
http://www.nutlax.com
Northumbria University 2008-2011
Newcastle upon Tyne 2008-Present
http://www.nutlax.com
Re: Basic Defensive Stick Handling
Thanks, that's what I've been teaching-choke up unless under pressure and definitely not if you're being checked, cos it doubles the targets.
Is there some trick to groundballs? I find them harder with a pole and I don't seem to be alone.
Is there some trick to groundballs? I find them harder with a pole and I don't seem to be alone.
Chichester Crusaders Coach.
Portsmouth Uni #66 - once upon a time.
Southampton Sabres #66 - a long time ago.
Army #7 - Tri-Services 2009
Coming soon to a sideline near you, complete with camera.
Portsmouth Uni #66 - once upon a time.
Southampton Sabres #66 - a long time ago.
Army #7 - Tri-Services 2009
Coming soon to a sideline near you, complete with camera.
Re: Basic Defensive Stick Handling
It's the same general principle, get that bottom hand low and scoop through. Step, squat, scoop.
I find people try and wait until they're next to or right over the ball, and then attempt to scoop with the stick at too much of an angle. The closer you are the to ball, the further your top hand needs to be up the stick to encourage you to get your bottom hand low. In doing so your bottom hand will need to go further out behind you, but as long as you keep a nice solid grip, it shouldn't cause too many issues with checks, especially if you're quick to bring the stick back up and protected next to your ear. As you go to scoop the ball, your bottom hand should push the stick through your top hand, which forces the head of the stick under the ball. Make sure you aim just before the ball to avoid going over the ball or pushing it along the field.
Another decent video http://www.laxmagazine.com/tips/players ... r_pressure
I find people try and wait until they're next to or right over the ball, and then attempt to scoop with the stick at too much of an angle. The closer you are the to ball, the further your top hand needs to be up the stick to encourage you to get your bottom hand low. In doing so your bottom hand will need to go further out behind you, but as long as you keep a nice solid grip, it shouldn't cause too many issues with checks, especially if you're quick to bring the stick back up and protected next to your ear. As you go to scoop the ball, your bottom hand should push the stick through your top hand, which forces the head of the stick under the ball. Make sure you aim just before the ball to avoid going over the ball or pushing it along the field.
Another decent video http://www.laxmagazine.com/tips/players ... r_pressure
Sheffield University 2005-2008
Northumbria University 2008-2011
Newcastle upon Tyne 2008-Present
http://www.nutlax.com
Northumbria University 2008-2011
Newcastle upon Tyne 2008-Present
http://www.nutlax.com
- UKLaxfan
- Moderator
- Posts: 4109
- Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:36 pm
- gender: Male
- Location: Heaton Moor, Stockport
- Contact:
Re: Basic Defensive Stick Handling
on YouTube subscribe to user NDLAXTV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91MGBJggIXc
Lots of clearly described and demonstrated Defensive Drills on GBs and escaping with the ball.
*********
If the players you are coaching are complete beginners then let them use short sticks in practice and maybe even games as it is much easier to learn correct skills with a shorty and then transfer those skill than to try learn them with a pole from the start.
I'd even go as far as playing them in defense with a shorty,
Defense is about footwork, positioning, communication, teamwork
given a beginner a pole they can't use properly is a deterrent, plus you can then switch positions more often so everyone can play defense/midfield/attack and discover what their best position is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91MGBJggIXc
Lots of clearly described and demonstrated Defensive Drills on GBs and escaping with the ball.
*********
If the players you are coaching are complete beginners then let them use short sticks in practice and maybe even games as it is much easier to learn correct skills with a shorty and then transfer those skill than to try learn them with a pole from the start.
I'd even go as far as playing them in defense with a shorty,
Defense is about footwork, positioning, communication, teamwork
given a beginner a pole they can't use properly is a deterrent, plus you can then switch positions more often so everyone can play defense/midfield/attack and discover what their best position is.
Re: Basic Defensive Stick Handling
Thanks for the link Dave. I agree about starting with shorts but this bunch had already got going with poles before I got there!
Chichester Crusaders Coach.
Portsmouth Uni #66 - once upon a time.
Southampton Sabres #66 - a long time ago.
Army #7 - Tri-Services 2009
Coming soon to a sideline near you, complete with camera.
Portsmouth Uni #66 - once upon a time.
Southampton Sabres #66 - a long time ago.
Army #7 - Tri-Services 2009
Coming soon to a sideline near you, complete with camera.
- UKLaxfan
- Moderator
- Posts: 4109
- Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:36 pm
- gender: Male
- Location: Heaton Moor, Stockport
- Contact:
Re: Basic Defensive Stick Handling
Dan,
One thing I've noticed about a lot of defenders handling is that they like to throw sidearm or 3/4 arm to keep the head of the stick at around head height or just above.
I don't know why this is popular, it's as though there is an invisible ceiling ?
The better more fundamentally sound technique is too play with the stick in the vertical plain perpendicular to the ground, so exactly the same as a shorty technique. Watch some of the Duke defenders, Montelli or Constabile.
Cross field passes on clearing from sideline to sideline are easy and need little effort if you use the full length of the stick and solid fundamentals
better technique = less power needed = more control
One thing I've noticed about a lot of defenders handling is that they like to throw sidearm or 3/4 arm to keep the head of the stick at around head height or just above.
I don't know why this is popular, it's as though there is an invisible ceiling ?
The better more fundamentally sound technique is too play with the stick in the vertical plain perpendicular to the ground, so exactly the same as a shorty technique. Watch some of the Duke defenders, Montelli or Constabile.
Cross field passes on clearing from sideline to sideline are easy and need little effort if you use the full length of the stick and solid fundamentals
better technique = less power needed = more control