Results 26/10/13

[matt90911]

Early results:

Bath 1sts 18 - 1 Bristol 2nds

Bristol 1sts v East Grinstead - Not played

EG were unable to field a full squad due to 4 of there 10 man team being stuck at Reading in a broken down car on route to game.

[Ash]

Reading seconds 12 Maidstone 9

Good game and hard fought. Cheers Maidstone.

[speach]

Spencer v Welwyn

End of Quarter Scores

Spencer 4 v 0 Welwyn
Spencer 12 v 0 Welwyn
Spencer 21 v 0 Welwyn
Spencer 28 v 0 Welwyn

[Blind Zebra]

Blues 14 v Reading 3

BeeZee

[Jon_B]

Croydon 13 - 6 Northampton

[Scoops]

EG 'A' 6 - Brighton 9

Even possession throughout game but Brighton's finishing was what won them the game

[petegriffin]

Hillcroft A - Blues 2s

Blues cancelled the game due to not being able to field a team. Given they put out a thirds team we've asked to take the walk over.

Disappointing to have a game cancelled so early in the season, more so to hear they prioritised the third team.

We managed to get some good training in regardless with a mix of our A and B teams.

[Branzo]

See I agree to a point with you pete, games getting canceled so early and all the other execues. But what do you do if the players that are in the thrids are just not good enough for the step up? For some east3 to east1 can be a big step.

Ps I'm not looking for an agrument with anyone just would like peoples throughts on this.

[petegriffin]

I'm not saying it's ideal but if you enter 3 teams into the leagues you are taking on the responsibility to fill those games, in my opinion that should be done from the top down otherwise you are giving teams the ability to cherry pick the games to target for the bottom team, obviously I'm not implying that here but that's the concern.

What does not good enough mean in real terms anyway? Most of us have been on the wrong side of some pretty heavy drummings and come out all the stronger, I'd have thought the chaps in E3 would have relished the opportunity to have a run out in E1 and see how they stack up? You give our 3rd team a shot at a prem team and you'll not be short of players...

At the end of the day it's an adult league, if they're really not up to it physically then they shouldn't be playing. Blues have played some kids with dispensation in the 1st team before who did very well for themselves despite being tiny, obviously a shift change in that stance over the summer which isn't for me to comment on.

[DavidBrucie]

Oxford Uni 5 - 15 London Uni

Halftime score was 1-10

We've got another load of Americans who are such good guys too, they've wonderfully adapted to our Uni lifestyle and I can say that the ethos around our experienced squad and fresher squad is absolutely sublime.

Although the game was a little spicy, Oxford were a really welcoming team and we all went to the pub afters for our punishments, it was our Mini Tour so we hit some bars and then the team stayed the night. An absolutely fantastic weekend.

There's a 7 min GoPro highlight reel here, it was attached to a dpole so you can't make out most of the goals but there are some great checks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SyP5IwJ ... e=youtu.be

(Apologies for the incorrect scoreline at the end)

[Chilli]

Regarding the above discussion concerning the Blues playing a third team game but conceding their second team game.

The SEMLA Fixture Sec'ty, Jon Cooper, has made an investigation into the circumstances and has given retrospective approval to the Blues decision.

Such circumstances are covered under SEMLA Byelaws intended to encourage the playing of higher level games before lower level ones, the relevant byelaws are

8 (n) Where a Club has two or more teams entered in the League or Flags Competitions and
two or more of those teams are scheduled to play fixtures on the same day, then, in the
circumstances that the Club cannot field sufficient players to fulfil all the fixtures, then
the Club shall fulfil the fixture that is in the highest division first, and so on down the
divisions until it cannot fulfil the fixture. Such fixtures as cannot be fulfilled will be
notified to the Fixture Secretary in advance and will be subject to the clauses relating to
postponed or conceded fixtures.
8 (o) A club may field any number of substitutes for any League, Flags or Plate Competition
game
Exceptional circumstances affecting the Club’s ability to play the higher fixture(s) first
must be notified to the Fixture Secretary in advance and any variation of this clause must
be by written agreement from the Fixtures Secretary.

[Tommy_Tank]

Sorry so what happened with this? Which way is a team expected to fill teams?

You state he gave retrospective authority to Blues decision which seems to oppose the commentary

[Chilli]

Games are to be played from the top down unless there are special circumstances and the Fixture Secretary gives permission in advance.
With the above game, there were extenuating circumstances that the Fixture Secretary took into account and agreed retrospective permission.
This is a lesser known byelaw although 'ignorance is no defence' as they say in law, it is an important principle that the Clubs voted for a few years ago.

[UKLaxfan]

so you need permission in advance unless you don't?

time space continuum is different in SEMLA

Lacrosse - Faster than the speed of light

[petegriffin]

*deleted as no longer relevant

[petegriffin]

I'm not sure I understand what is meant by an important principle, is the 'ignorance is bliss' approach noted in a byelaw or something?

If so why do we even bother updating rules anymore as that appears to imply we can just get to a stage we like the rules at and then just ignore further changes?

[Tommy_Tank]

I think what Pete is trying to get to is we feel aggrieved at the decision based on our current knowledge and would like a clear ruling. Please contact our club president with details of the special circumstance is that justified retrospective permission.

[Chilli]

Gents

It's a fact that not many people take the time to read the byelaws and only become aware of them when something goes wrong, mostly people rely on what they've heard and been told by others.

Therefore, the intention of my comments above was to make sure that players and Clubs could see that a contravention of the byelaws had been spotted and dealt with.

Hopefully many more people than previously are now aware of the byelaw and will act accordingly if the situation arises.

If you wish to discuss the specific details please contact Jon Cooper, the SEMLA Fixtures Sect'y who is delegated to make interpretations of the byelaws and authorise any variation according to circumstances.

Jon is on

semla.fixtures@southlacrosse.org.uk

[Chilli]

There appears to be a misunderstanding of the decision.
The decision was not to further punish the Blues for failing to abide by the byelaw.
The game vs Hillcroft remains as a 10-0 walkover and the Blues 3s game remains as a win to Welwyn

[Tommy_Tank]

Thanks for clarification