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Whats the best way to take on a defender on an isolation call? I usually use either a face dodge or a split dodge but against better defenders i have found them not working as much
Jay is Sexy
If you having problems with beating a defender this is what i suggest. I believe the split dodge is the best as your head is always facing front and your stick is always in a passing/shooting position.
Dodge the head of the stick. This sounds funny and simple but you'd be amazed how many players dodge too close to the defender. The head of the stick is the weakest part as it is furthest away from the body, the closer you get into the defender the easier it will be for him to play. Remember as a dodger you have the advantage, he has to turn whilst you change your speed from 75% to 100% and he has to go frm standing still.
I hope this helps somewhat, this is an abbreviated version of dodging
Dodge the head of the stick. This sounds funny and simple but you'd be amazed how many players dodge too close to the defender. The head of the stick is the weakest part as it is furthest away from the body, the closer you get into the defender the easier it will be for him to play. Remember as a dodger you have the advantage, he has to turn whilst you change your speed from 75% to 100% and he has to go frm standing still.
I hope this helps somewhat, this is an abbreviated version of dodging
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sxyboyjay wrote:Yea thanks but ive heard that the best place is right up on the defender because he cant really do any stick checks when your right in his face
Thats what I thought too. Takes away advantage of the pole and makes it more awkward for D to check. Could be wrong though
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Great Question
How long is a piece of string?
This is very much a match up question, there is no definitive answer for the best way to beat a defender 1-on-1.
The easiest way is to be BSF. Bigger-Stronger-Faster
Two key elements to work on to improve your dodging skills is CoS & CoD
Change of Speed / Change of Direction
Another useful weapon to have in the attackers armoury is Deception. You can set up defenders to do what you want. You can bait them to throw checks, lull them into false sense of security by going half paced. Stick fakes, body fakes, look away passes take your pick.
As for getting too close to defenders I'm not sure I understand that one. There are generally two different types of dodges East-West and North-South.
North-South dodges go directly to goal ie the shortest distance to goal, this pretty much assumes you will be going close to the defender.
East-West dodges are perpendicular to goal, ie looking to get separation from defender but not necessarily closer to goal.
Personally I used to prefer North-South, and actually run directly at the defender getting him on his heels or flat footed, not deciding to go left or right until the last second and accelerating away from the defender.
Ways to improve dodging:
1) Improve stick protection, left & right handed. It's important to take the ball with you when you dodge.
2) Improve Speed, Agility, Quickness (SAQ), there are lots of drills out there on SAQ, having fast feet will improve both CoS & CoD. The 1st step is often the most important.
3) Improve technique, learn and practice the different types of dodges. The better the technique you have the more success you'll have, which means in turn you will dodge more. This is a Virtuous Circle to improving your dodging skills.
4) Practice, Practice, Practice - find a defender buddy(s) to go 1-on-1 against often. I remember one middie who would line 3 SSDMs up 5yds apart and dodge past all of them 1 at a time to go to goal to improve skills.
5) Go 100% in practice and be prepared to fail often. Dodging is like any other skill, it can be learned and improved but you won't have success straight away. You weren't born being able to walk, you fell over an awful lot but you mastered it. Dodging can become like walking, you won't have to think about it you will just go to goal and react to what happens in front of you, taking what the defender gives you.
Skipping is a good way to start improving footwork.
Dodging lamp posts on way home from the pub, walking across a dance floor carrying 3 pints are all alternative methods of improving footwork.
Ultimately dodging is almost a state of mind, it is a 1-on-1 battle with you opponent. If the defender can look intense, talk lots and throw stick checks at an attacker, he may not even attempt to dodge him, job done 1-0 to Dman. Alternatively if the attacker dodges to goal in 1st 5mins, good things happen... other Dmen have to slide, you may get a shot off and score. The attacker will also have more space as defender doesn't want to over commit and get beat again.
This is very much a match up question, there is no definitive answer for the best way to beat a defender 1-on-1.
The easiest way is to be BSF. Bigger-Stronger-Faster
Two key elements to work on to improve your dodging skills is CoS & CoD
Change of Speed / Change of Direction
Another useful weapon to have in the attackers armoury is Deception. You can set up defenders to do what you want. You can bait them to throw checks, lull them into false sense of security by going half paced. Stick fakes, body fakes, look away passes take your pick.
As for getting too close to defenders I'm not sure I understand that one. There are generally two different types of dodges East-West and North-South.
North-South dodges go directly to goal ie the shortest distance to goal, this pretty much assumes you will be going close to the defender.
East-West dodges are perpendicular to goal, ie looking to get separation from defender but not necessarily closer to goal.
Personally I used to prefer North-South, and actually run directly at the defender getting him on his heels or flat footed, not deciding to go left or right until the last second and accelerating away from the defender.
Ways to improve dodging:
1) Improve stick protection, left & right handed. It's important to take the ball with you when you dodge.
2) Improve Speed, Agility, Quickness (SAQ), there are lots of drills out there on SAQ, having fast feet will improve both CoS & CoD. The 1st step is often the most important.
3) Improve technique, learn and practice the different types of dodges. The better the technique you have the more success you'll have, which means in turn you will dodge more. This is a Virtuous Circle to improving your dodging skills.
4) Practice, Practice, Practice - find a defender buddy(s) to go 1-on-1 against often. I remember one middie who would line 3 SSDMs up 5yds apart and dodge past all of them 1 at a time to go to goal to improve skills.
5) Go 100% in practice and be prepared to fail often. Dodging is like any other skill, it can be learned and improved but you won't have success straight away. You weren't born being able to walk, you fell over an awful lot but you mastered it. Dodging can become like walking, you won't have to think about it you will just go to goal and react to what happens in front of you, taking what the defender gives you.
Skipping is a good way to start improving footwork.
Dodging lamp posts on way home from the pub, walking across a dance floor carrying 3 pints are all alternative methods of improving footwork.
Ultimately dodging is almost a state of mind, it is a 1-on-1 battle with you opponent. If the defender can look intense, talk lots and throw stick checks at an attacker, he may not even attempt to dodge him, job done 1-0 to Dman. Alternatively if the attacker dodges to goal in 1st 5mins, good things happen... other Dmen have to slide, you may get a shot off and score. The attacker will also have more space as defender doesn't want to over commit and get beat again.
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Some random thoughts on this...
The confusion over whether to get in close to a defender or not is actually best understood in terms of levels of contact. If you are close to your defenseman then you will receive more body-to-body contact but see less checks. Alternatively if you stay away from from your longpole you will recieve less body-to-body contact but see many more checks.
The way it was always taught to me is you should be looking to get in tight to defencemen when dodging from behind, especially at X. Here, you are going to use roll dodges and/or swim moves to generate moments of seperation to feed, or to explode upfield and try and turn the corner.
From the wings and up top you ideally want to use speed and a split dodge. The best-case scenario is you create a situation where you have to run through one big home run check and then you are in the clear. The reality is though that good defencemen are difficult to split up as they will be showing you one side of the field already. This is particularly true from the wing positions, where you will always be sheparded underneath.
Don't worry too much if your dodges are becoming less effective, the days of you making a defender completely disappear are usually more behind you then they are infront - the key is to understanding that you must do more with less seperation. At U-12 level you can completely beat a defender, by U-19 you are looking to just get a step on somebody, and by the time you are playing at a high level - you are dealing in half a step.
Remember the bottom line of a dodge is that you only create a negative situation by losing possession, anything past that is either 50/50 or better. Sometimes you have to adjust your situational awareness as you play at a higher level - if you are concerned that you are getting stripped by a long pole consistently off a wing dodge, you won't be able to find anything to help you on a video of last year's NCAA Final Four, for example. Why not? Because no-one dodges poles on a wing anymore, its just a bad tactical situation unless you are a superior athlete i.e. Kyle Harrison. So just adjust and move on.
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The confusion over whether to get in close to a defender or not is actually best understood in terms of levels of contact. If you are close to your defenseman then you will receive more body-to-body contact but see less checks. Alternatively if you stay away from from your longpole you will recieve less body-to-body contact but see many more checks.
The way it was always taught to me is you should be looking to get in tight to defencemen when dodging from behind, especially at X. Here, you are going to use roll dodges and/or swim moves to generate moments of seperation to feed, or to explode upfield and try and turn the corner.
From the wings and up top you ideally want to use speed and a split dodge. The best-case scenario is you create a situation where you have to run through one big home run check and then you are in the clear. The reality is though that good defencemen are difficult to split up as they will be showing you one side of the field already. This is particularly true from the wing positions, where you will always be sheparded underneath.
Don't worry too much if your dodges are becoming less effective, the days of you making a defender completely disappear are usually more behind you then they are infront - the key is to understanding that you must do more with less seperation. At U-12 level you can completely beat a defender, by U-19 you are looking to just get a step on somebody, and by the time you are playing at a high level - you are dealing in half a step.
Remember the bottom line of a dodge is that you only create a negative situation by losing possession, anything past that is either 50/50 or better. Sometimes you have to adjust your situational awareness as you play at a higher level - if you are concerned that you are getting stripped by a long pole consistently off a wing dodge, you won't be able to find anything to help you on a video of last year's NCAA Final Four, for example. Why not? Because no-one dodges poles on a wing anymore, its just a bad tactical situation unless you are a superior athlete i.e. Kyle Harrison. So just adjust and move on.
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Dodging
more details & video on 1v1 moves on Dodging thread
viewtopic.php?t=677
Highlights from USA of future dodging stars Shamel #1 and Rhamel #3 Bratton.
http://www.huntingtonlax.com/video_game_highlights.htm
The Brattons use a lot of Stop-Start moves to get open, they also use combination dodges.
See following clip of a Split - Swim - Roll performed one after the other to get by a double team by the defenders.
http://www.huntingtonlax.com/media/HHS_ ... Part_4.wmv
viewtopic.php?t=677
Highlights from USA of future dodging stars Shamel #1 and Rhamel #3 Bratton.
http://www.huntingtonlax.com/video_game_highlights.htm
The Brattons use a lot of Stop-Start moves to get open, they also use combination dodges.
See following clip of a Split - Swim - Roll performed one after the other to get by a double team by the defenders.
http://www.huntingtonlax.com/media/HHS_ ... Part_4.wmv
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UKlaxfan pretty much nailed it and good advice from ArmourAsh.
Much depends on your build, age (ie will you be growing more into your body), even genetics. Some guys are graceful gazelle types that can change speed and direction easily. Others might be more the bruiser type that can take the punishment from the dpole.
You can certainly do drills etc to improve speed, agility etc but in addition some have recognized they never will be the fastest and most graceful so they have worked hard to improve strength for the bull dodges and close quarters.
In short, work on your weaknesses but recognize your strengths and develop those to the utmost. The old Green Bay Packers and coach Vince Lombardi from American football had a very basic offense and featured the power sweep. A bit of simplification but basically they ran few plays but did them so well they couldn't stopped.
Much depends on your build, age (ie will you be growing more into your body), even genetics. Some guys are graceful gazelle types that can change speed and direction easily. Others might be more the bruiser type that can take the punishment from the dpole.
You can certainly do drills etc to improve speed, agility etc but in addition some have recognized they never will be the fastest and most graceful so they have worked hard to improve strength for the bull dodges and close quarters.
In short, work on your weaknesses but recognize your strengths and develop those to the utmost. The old Green Bay Packers and coach Vince Lombardi from American football had a very basic offense and featured the power sweep. A bit of simplification but basically they ran few plays but did them so well they couldn't stopped.
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Stop concentrate on working on your weaknesses - keep them in mind, but when you go for a job interview, you don't sit there and talk about what you're not good at.
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Stop concentrate on working on your weaknesses - keep them in mind, but when you go for a job interview, you don't sit there and talk about what you're not good at.
Don't try to play a game that you're not suitable for.
Learn what your strengths are and develop them, own them, and be the best person to do whatever you do.*
*Also useful advice in life.
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hmm this how close to the d guy seems to be causing problems. I generally find that the closer you get to the dman without him bothering you the better.. the closer you are the harder it is for him to react to your movement= easier to get space or whatever you want to do. See what the d-man likes to do eg. always poke checks/ doesnt at all etc. n base how close you get on that. The closer the better!
Ewan Willsmer
Roll D-men at X, Split Dodge from up top.
Don't dodge from up top unless you have a shorty on you. If you have the pole, take him to the crease and move.
Look for the feed as soon as you draw the slide, most offenses at a high level base themselves on dodge - (slide comes) - pass - pass - dodge (no 2nd from this dodge if you move the ball fast).
You'll also have more success if you dodge on a whim rather than letting the defense set up - if you have a mismatch, fine, pull the ball out and set your dodge up. However, most good poles that you allow to set up will be very hard to beat. You have to get the ball and get to them before they have a chance to set up.
If you do pull the ball out for an isolation dodge, make sure to square your defender up so that he doesn't have you moving on a line.
Don't dodge from up top unless you have a shorty on you. If you have the pole, take him to the crease and move.
Look for the feed as soon as you draw the slide, most offenses at a high level base themselves on dodge - (slide comes) - pass - pass - dodge (no 2nd from this dodge if you move the ball fast).
You'll also have more success if you dodge on a whim rather than letting the defense set up - if you have a mismatch, fine, pull the ball out and set your dodge up. However, most good poles that you allow to set up will be very hard to beat. You have to get the ball and get to them before they have a chance to set up.
If you do pull the ball out for an isolation dodge, make sure to square your defender up so that he doesn't have you moving on a line.
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